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ambidexter
I figured I would start this thread since no one else will.

Tyree is the First New Yorker to take the 19's at the December Juniors since the Late Great Ken Ginty of the NYAC did it in I believe the very early 70's. He Matched Eric Klarmen's,  also of the NYAC ,feet of winning three junior singles titles in one year across different age groups and Victor LoPierre's Winning of all three Singles in different years.  Emmett P also has Titles in all three codes of the game with a 19 &  under Doubles win in the 2000 Worlds with Ference Dominguez.

Next up for Tyree is a sweep of 2009?.

Tyree's only lost in the Junior tournaments this year was in the Big Ball Nationals 19 & under division to Michael Olarte of the same club. No disgrace as Michael won both the 17's and 19's and returned the favor as Tyree beat him in the Red Ace Finals in June. He Also lost in the Toledo Junior Divisions to Marco Lemus.

A great year and perfect timing as the bulk of this year has been chronicled  by the Handballers Documentary Film Crew.

This will be a hard year to Top but I have full faith in Tyree.

Congratulations Tyree!


Michael F Watson
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Albert
Exactly which MAJOR Junior tournaments, including the divisions, years & partners he won with, has Tyree won over the years? Should we expect to see the USHA publish a profile in Handball magazine?

Eric Klarman won the 16 & 19 under 3-wall, 16 & under 1-wall and 17 & under 4-wall in 1983. David Fink and Victor LoPierre came close. Fink won the 19 & under 1-wall in 1994 and 3 & 4-wall in 1995. LoPierre won the 17 & under 1-wall in 2003, 19 & under 3 and 4-wall, as well as the 3-wall in Venice Beach California, during 2004.Eric Klarman won the 16 & 19 under 3-wall, 16 & under 1-wall and 17 & under 4-wall in 1983. David Fink and Victor LoPierre came close. Fink won the 19 & under 1-wall in 1994 and 3 & 4-wall in 1995. LoPierre won the 17 & under 1-wall in 2003, 19 & under 3 and 4-wall, as well as the 3-wall in Venice Beach California, during 2004.
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ambidexter
ALbert,
I am not sure what you mean by Major.

Right now I think the Juniors go like this is Importance.

For 1W -  The  Juniors since it is the only chance in Red Ace. It is also now the Largest One Wall for the last four years.

For 3W we have two Junior events Toledo and Venice.
I think most agree that the one to win now is Venice.

For 4W we have the Nationals in June and in December.
I think most agree that the more important one is December.

Victor won 4w wins come at the Nationals in June. Victor also has the World 19's Title in 2003.

Tyree has won this year the
1w Junior 17 Singles and Doubles
3W Juniors 17 Singles
4W 19 Singles
 
As for other years I  could do it but I will just say that  Tyree has at-least one win in the each of the last four years.

In 2009 he is in the 19's the whole year.

Michael F Watson
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Albert
Although I agree that the juniors in July (Venice) & Dec (Wherever) have larger draws and are more difficult to win I did see that the USHA lists the 3-wall champs as those that won in Maumee. I wasn't thinking 4-wall at the moment so I didn't check that. I'm actually in the midst of bouncing some e-mails back and forth with Vern over this issue.

One player/team should be the champ(s). MAYBE it should be handled like it is with 1-wall. There is a seperate 1-wall junior nationals. During the regular/adult 1-wall nationals the kids can play in their appropriate skill division.

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DV
Trying NOT to get off target here....

Would Tyree be considered the GREATEST Junior player of all time because of all the trophies in the junior divisions or would a guy like Dave Chapman be considered the greatest for winning a couple national pro singles championships while still in his teens AND winning all of those 4-wall junior divisions?

Tyree has him beat in 1-wall and 3-wall, for certain.
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Albert
Just checked the USHA site and they handle 4-wall the same as 3-wall.

Although Tyree has chosen to play in the juniors he also competes with the "big boys" and doesn't appear to have achieved what DC did (in 4-wall)
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Albert

I think that by using the word "junior" you would expects results from junior divisions. If you wanted the best young player you have to word the question differently.

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MyNameIsMikeIAmAJerk

Ference Dominquez is the greatest junior to ever play.

Janters gonna jante
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ambidexter
Albert,
I am not sure I am following you here?

USHA lists all their Nationals events as of 2005. While it is true that USHA record keeping leaves a lot to be desired they do try somewhat.  For 2005 they have both Three wall Toledo and Venice and Four Wall June and December Champions up. They do the same for the Four Wall Masters events as well.

Current records on the Web go up to 2005. Missing are the Entire 14 years of ICHA stewardship from 91 until 2003.
The Early years of the Venice Beach Tournament are missing as well.

I believe that Luis Moreno has Titles from all three codes in the same year as well. In 2007 I believe he won the Four Wall 19 singles and the Three wall 19 singles and also won the 19 doubles in one wall.

Tyree is not the most decorated Junior in three wall. That probably goes to one of the Ruiz Brothers.


Michael F Watson
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DV

I thought The Man lost to The Bus in the 19 and under 1-wall juniors (finals), 2007??

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ambidexter
He did.

Luis Moreno and John Mantilla won the 19 Doubles over John Camacho and Tyree Bastidas.

Michael F Watson
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Albert

I went back and checked additional years. The USHA did start adding more info.

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bigblueballs

Tyree is a damn good baller. He has had some good wins in his young career but he is, in my opinion the most overrated junior in history. I have heard numorous people puke out that he is the best junior ever. Lets see, Chapman, Piexoto, Lenning, Moreno, Ruiz. All of those guys had better junior careers than has Tyree. Now tyree still has some time left to improve his resume so lets just sit back and see what happens before we start making insane claims about how great this kid is.

Of course i am looking for Osama Bin Laden.
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DV
1.  Tyree wears a shirt that says, "The Greatest" on it
2.  He has won more junior national titles than anyone EVER and still has a whole year, in all codes, to include doubles and singles, to rack-up more trophies.

But, with that said, I am not confident he is the best junior player of all time.

4-wall- He would not have beaten Lenning, Tati or Chapman in the 15, 17, or 19's
3-wall- He would not have beaten Munoz, Lenning or Chapman in any age division
1-wall- He would have been very competitive with the field.

You can say this about Tyree:

He plays.  He wins.  You can't penalize him for that!

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ambidexter
DV,

When Talking about the Greatest junior ever I think there is to ways to look at it.

1. Performance as a Junior.
2. Skill/Ability at the Junior age.

For 1. I am not sure Tyree has more Titles then Robbie McCarthy. Until Luis beat him I do not think that Robbie had ever lost in the Junior ranks,

For. 2 You would need to add people like Mark Levin and Ken Davidoff who both won the One Wall Nationals as Teenagers back when Men were Men.

Re: your assessment of comparable ages.

I agree with four wall and for the most part three wall but I do think that Tyree would have given Sean a game in the 16's and may have won as Sean did not have his power yet.

Re: One Wall. Caesar Sala, Ference Dominguez and Victor at the same ages would have beat Tyree in One Wall. Victor was better at Three Wall at 18 as well ( This was when he played his best ball). JerkyMike  and Alvaro would have given him a game but I cant say who would win. Tyree still needs things to go his way to play his best ball and his Mental toughness is not complete yet.

What I say is, Tyree is the most decorated Junior and a very promising player. If he continues as he is going right now he will succeed. He is the Best of his age group and  the only one who this current discussion can be held on. Ten years from now on the Same pace he may have adult titles on the same level and if so what then is the discussion?
Michael F Watson
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MyNameIsMikeIAmAJerk
I think Tyree is a more talented player and has better hands than a lot of the players listed as far as onewall.  The reason I do not think he would have beaten myself, victor, ference, or even alvaro(cheapshot ooooh) is that it was a much heavier ball.  He's competing with a ball that is very light.  The game is transitioning from a power game to a shooters game.  Back when I competed in the juniors I was able to win tournaments with a big hook serve and consistent volleying.  Victor and Ference never had big serves but were dominant thru sheer power and smart effective play.  Now when you watch the juniors they are acing each other left and right and everyone has the same power because of how light and fast the ball is.  The Past vs Present discussion is always apples and oranges because of this.  When a kid could hit the ball like a man, it meant a huge advantage a few years ago.  Now it means nothing.


Janters gonna jante
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DV

ambidexter wrote: DV,


For 1. I am not sure Tyree has more Titles then Robbie McCarthy. Until Luis beat him I do not think that Robbie had ever lost in the Junior ranks,

Nope.  Tyree already has more junior titles than ANYONE.  To include Robbie, DC, Sean, Luis, etc.

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BenThum
MyNameIsMikeIAmAJerk wrote: The reason I do not think he would have beaten myself, victor, ference, or even alvaro

Excellent analysis!
btw, i realize that graduating from the prestigious Bronx High School of Science does not guarantee
the ideal of employing flawless grammar as you climb the steep ladder of life in an increasingly complex
world, but the "myself" is a sign that you may have skipped a few English classes to play handball or
something.  Substitute "me" for "myself" and you will never have to worry about that red flag slip in a
future job interview

Yes, it's a nitpick and you may have chosen to slip into street talk mode on this, but job interviews have
gone south over far less egregious transgressions ~

I am expecting big things from you, Mike, and do not want to learn years from now that you are pulling
the 4 to midnight shift at a 7/11 store in Flatbush ~
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Baton338

god forbid i started playing handball at age 13, GOD FORBID!!!

Help make handball grow.
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mark51

For. 2 You would need to add people like Mark Levin and Ken Davidoff who both won the One Wall Nationals as Teenagers back when Men were Men.


Mike

Thanks for the complement. I won the 1 wall nationals at age 18 - at that time (1970) I believe I was the youngest to ever win a major. I know that record has since been broken.

I have seen Tyree play - he has excellent skills. What separates him from the other juniors, as you say, is his ability in all phases of handball and the number of tourneys he has won.

I don't recall playing in as many tourneys as Tyree - however when I did play I often was requested to play in an older age bracket. By age 16 I was already ranked a top 8 player and by age 18 after winning the nationals I no longer played at the junior level. I am sure DC and the other great junior players may have also moved on to the opens at an early stage (not sure).

Anyway, how Tyree will be remembered will depend on how he progresses to the next stage and his full book of accomplishments as time goes by.

Regards and keep up the good work.

Mark Levine

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MyNameIsMikeIAmAJerk

BenThum wrote: MyNameIsMikeIAmAJerk wrote: The reason I do not think he would have beaten myself, victor, ference, or even alvaro

Excellent analysis!
btw, i realize that graduating from the prestigious Bronx High School of Science does not guarantee
the ideal of employing flawless grammar as you climb the steep ladder of life in an increasingly complex
world, but the "myself" is a sign that you may have skipped a few English classes to play handball or
something.  Substitute "me" for "myself" and you will never have to worry about that red flag slip in a
future job interview

Yes, it's a nitpick and you may have chosen to slip into street talk mode on this, but job interviews have
gone south over far less egregious transgressions ~

I am expecting big things from you, Mike, and do not want to learn years from now that you are pulling
the 4 to midnight shift at a 7/11 store in Flatbush ~


Thank you.  I can't believe I did that.
Janters gonna jante
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DV

BenThum wrote:
I am expecting big things from you, Mike, and do not want to learn years from now that you are pulling
the 4 to midnight shift at a 7/11 store in Flatbush ~

Ben forgot that it's not proper etiquette to use the actual number to describe the time before spelling out midnight.  A more proper approach would be to spell out the word, "four."

For example, "...the four to midnight shift at..."

Of course, Ben could have written, "4pm to 12am" and it would have slipped past most scholars.
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DV
Back to the Subject.  Tyree is really a cool kid.  I know he gets a bad wrap at times, but guys like Naty Jr and DC were REALLY bad when they were younger and eventually got over it.

Here's some info on TYREE:

Tyree K. Bastidas

 

“The Greatest Junior Player“

 

Date of Birth: 09/27/1990
Where you were born: Brooklyn New York
Where you reside now: Brooklyn
Right or Left Handed: Right
Favorite Food: Chinese
Favorite Drink: Coke
Favorite Athlete (any sport): Pele
Last CD you bought: I just listen to my ipod
Last movie you attended: Transformers.
Handball Junior/collegiate coach: M. Watson and P. Williams
Biggest handball victory: winning the Junior National 3 wall Championships 17/19 under singles divisions in the same tournament.

Titles:

Handball National Championships

2004

July----One wall Junior Nationals----------13 and under----Singles

2005

May----One wall Junior Nationals----------15 and under----Singles

             One wall Junior Nationals----------15 and under----Doubles

August-Three wall Junior Nationals--------15 and under----Singles

2006

May----One wall Junior Nationals----------15 and under----Singles

July---Three wall Junior Nationals---------15 and under----Doubles

August--Three wall Junior Nationals--------15 and under----Singles

September--One wall Nationals--------Men’s C division-----Singles

December---Four wall Junior Nationals----17 and under----Doubles

2007

May----Four wall Junior Nationals (Can) 17 and under----Singles

June----Four wall Nationals------------Men’s B division-----Singles

July----Three wall Junior Nationals---------17 and under----Singles

August---One wall Nationals---------Men’s A division------Doubles

September--Three wall Junior Nationals----17 and under---Singles

September--Three wall Junior Nationals----19 and under---Singles

October-One wall Junior Nationals (big blue)-17 and under Singles

October-One wall Junior Nationals (big blue) 19 and under-Doubles

December--Four wall Junior Nationals-----17 and under----Singles

2008

March--Four wall Irish Nationals-------------17 and under---Singles

June-Four wall Nationals-----------------------19 and under---Singles

June- One wall Junior Nationals-------------17 and under----Singles

June- One wall Junior Nationals--------------17 and under--Doubles

July- Three wall Junior Nationals--------------17 and under--Singles

July- Three wall Junior Nationals-------------19 and under--Doubles

Dec- Four Wall Junior Nationals--------------19 and Under--Singles


World Records

August 2006,  One wall World Championships (Canada) 15 and under singles division.

Tyree’s Milestones

He is the only player in the world to have won the National four wall Championships in the 17 and under Singles division in three different countries in less than a year.

 

He is the only junior player in the world who has captured a record of nine National Titles in one year.

 

 

He’s the only junior player in the world to have captured a record of twenty four National Handball Championships in one, three and four wall at the age of 17.

 

He has captured more Junior National Championships than any other junior in the world at the tender age of 16 years old.

 

He is the only junior player in the world who has captured a record of 12 National Championships within a year.

 

At 17 years old, he captured all the Junior National Championships singles division Championships in the 17 and 19 under divisions in one, three and four wall.

 

He is the only 17 years old player to have slammed five times as a junior player…..and counting.

 

Tyree is the only junior player to have won and slammed in two Junior National Championships with the small and the big ball in less than a year.

 

“The Greatest” by destiny”.

Tyree Kaiser Bastidas are the names given to him by his mother and father respectively.

Tyree: It was chosen by his mother, a fan of the television series “star Trek” in honor of “King Tyree” in one of its episodes.

Kaiser” It was chosen by his father, a soccer fan of one of the greatest soccer players, Frank Beckembawer “The Kaiser”, which means “The Emperor”.

Clearly, Tyree Kaiser Bastidas has lived up to his name by reining and leading in the competition across the country during the past five years.

Tyree, a junior one wall player has captured at least six Open titles outside New York, he just became the only teenager to have won and slammed in the Open division in two different countries in less than a year.

He recently stunned the handball community by reaching the finals of the Regional three and four wall Open tournaments and by taking on Satish Jagnandan, the four times one wall Open National Champion, to a tiebreaker in the finals of the prestigious one wall “Mayor’s Cup”, thus becoming the only 17 years old to have accomplished such a feat.

New York sensation Tyree K. Bastidas has already earned a place in history as “The Greatest”, for his amazing junior handball record and

for his unlimited handball skills in one, three and four wall codes. He wants to restore and bring back to New York the glorious times of Oscar Obert and Vic Hershkowitz.

He is hoping to become the first man to hold both honor titles as “The greatest player“ ever, as a  Junior player and as an Open player.

 

Tyree on:
Sean Lenning: He is an excellent player, dangerous with both hands.
Tony Healy: Very relaxed and confident of himself.

Satish Jagnandan: He’s got two good hands, he’s got the best low power serve and the amazing ability to move you around.

Vince Munoz: The best player in three wall and the best person to talk to off the court.
Emmett Peixoto: Very athletic, he is the only 3 and 4 wall player with potential to win the one wall open Nationals.
Dave Chapman: I’m happy to have played him in the four wall Nationals. He is really good, I wish he had ventured into the National one wall arena more often.

Paul Brady: He shoots too hard. I need to hang out with him more often to find out his secrets for success.

Greatest Player to ever play handball:

Naty Alvarado Sr in four wall.

Vince Munoz in three wall.

Joe Durso in one wall.

 

Greatest all around player:

Oscar Obert and Vic Hershkowitz.


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ambidexter
Yes Mark,
Mike's  point about the ball is true but the exemption regarding the serves of Victor and Ference are not. At times Victor had a decent low serve but he was taught to hit the ball deep and kill the next shoot. Ference had a great serve just not low. He smoked the ball either down the line or cross court. If Tyree does not win at the Adult level he becomes another flash in the pan Junior.  Right now in One Wall all the Top players are  in their 30's and there are no serious players in the 20's, so Tyree is poised to dominate if this pattern holds true. Having just spent the entire day with Tyree at the Elks Lodge  I have faith that he is going to do damage. It will be interesting to watch.

Michael F Watson
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DV
I agree with you regarding Tyree and 1-wall.  Billy-O should be added in there, no?
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ambidexter
No,
Billy Gives a great effort but his focus and skill level are not the same as Tyree in My Opinion. I think he is a Very good player though but like the whole group in the 20's his Focus can slip. He is the best of that bunch right now and the only one who should bother traveling.

Michael F Watson
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ambidexter
DV,
you made a little mistake.
Tyree does not have the 19 singles in One Wall yet.

Michael F Watson
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DV

Never said he did.

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Albert

He just lost in the 19 & under doubles final of the 4-wall Jr Nats. . I was wondering what his second division was at these two tournaments:

March--Four wall Irish Nationals-------------17 and under---Singles

June-Four wall Nationals-----------------------19 and under---Singles

and where he placed. Also how he faired at this year's big ball nationals.

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DV

Well, I get my intel from just emailing the player and asking them for the info.  I did this with Tyree and he complied.  In other words, the player writes their own bio.  Here's Tyree's email addy:  CAMAIHA@aol.com.  Email and ask him how he did.

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