jsimon20
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| | 01/23/12 at 09:51 AM | Reply with quote | #1 |
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| Not going to Vegas?? Come play in the IHA State Doubles, Feb. 10-12.. $1,000 in Open Prize Money..Top Handball competition on all levels and some of the best tournament hospitality you will find!!
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Viperman
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| | 01/24/12 at 11:47 PM | Reply with quote | #2 |
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| What moron would choose to travel to IHA over VEGAS! There's always top ten players and there is no LOSE. Its all fun. PS. If you had to travel to Chicagoland that weekend , the IHA does put on a good show. They'd certainly have a few more players if they checked the wph and usha tournament date boards.
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scherz

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| | 01/25/12 at 09:38 AM | Reply with quote | #3 |
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I have a really wild and crazy idea: What if...we actually put all handball tournaments on a calendar, and then posted results so people can follow the progress...you know, like a real sport?. Right now, the USHA will only post tournaments from groups that buy USHA crap balls, so there goes most of the midwest. And the WPH only tracks it's race for 8 stuff, so there goes the other 99% (cliche'd yet?). Beyond a Tourney Dir going on here and posting a topic about their state tournament, no one on earth will know about it. Missouri State doubles is this weekend, and according to WPH/USHA, there is no such thing. The St. Louis Hinder club has done an incredible thing and built their own exclusive indoor handball facility, the best in the country. A remarkable achievement for our sport, and no one outside of KC and STL even knows about this.
The USHA continues to be a decaying corpse of an organization refusing to adapt or acknowledge its major flaws, while the WPH focuses on specifically being a boys club of its elite 8. I don't fault you WPH, I understand your goal is to be the pro organization wing of handball. But you are still missing the target by only featuring a very small slice of elite handball, while making the gateway for anyone outside of that group impossible to pass (few qualifiers, geographically biased, too expensive). It'll be the same small group of players, and they will become less interesting. Create regions and 'qualify' players based on success at those events. Acknowledge what you and Fink call 'local beer tournaments'. Those would be your fans and the people that will pay your bills. Look at what US Racquetball has built, a hub for all of their players and fans to see what's coming, what happened, and who's the best. You can find out who the best are in what town. It engages people. I understand that this is the job of the USHA, but this will never happen from them. They can't even tie their shoes at the moment, let alone walk or run. And you are going to eventually be handed this responsibility. You can still be the pros, just include everyone else.
sorry to hijack your thread, but it's related to what I believe is the major problem in our sport. __________________ WimbleDotte. The handball player factory. |
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DV

WPH Exec Dir
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| | 01/25/12 at 10:08 AM | Reply with quote | #4 |
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A more crazy idea: how about if tournament directors provide the info in advance of the event? We would promote if we had intel. Many dirctors are running events and not providing vitals. Worse off, they are neglecting to post results. Its like being upset with your newspaper boy because the local paper isnt covering a story.
If I want to find a tournament I go to the united states handball association calendar on the main page. If I want to read about that tournament I find it on facebook or in the united states handball association magazine.
The WPH recognizes the USHA as the governing body. They are given more info from local events than us, and rightly so. __________________ http://www.thehandballstore.com
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scherz

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| | 01/25/12 at 11:34 AM | Reply with quote | #5 |
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provide the info where? and to who? The options are: the USHA. A site that is still listed as a malicious website because of it's crawlers. Their idea of results is a random blurb on the blog portion of the page, no actual data that sticks. And they won't acknowledge half of the handball world anyway. Why reciprocate that? And like it or not, the WPH is not a website. It's a message board. Your analogy about hating the paper boy because the paper isn't covering isn't accurate. There is no newspaper. It's a group of dudes standing on the corner chatting about stuff. A large part of the handball community chooses not to participate because it is not organized or informative. The USHA as the governing body is crap. Shouldn't your goal be to grow your audience? Build them a framework. Give them a permanent home for their events. They would jump at the opportunity to post results...and see them stick. We're in an age where we can track and manage any information...and yet we still don't know who won tournament 'X' 8 years ago because the "governing body" is sleeping on the job. For the sake of your stakeholders, you should aim for this to grow the relevance of the WPH. __________________ WimbleDotte. The handball player factory. |
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hballfred
WPH President
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| | 01/25/12 at 03:31 PM | Reply with quote | #6 |
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There are 2 potential solutions: 1. Someone volunteer to do this for the WPH. 2. Someone make a nice monetary contribution so that we can hire a person to gather the information.
Right now the WPH doesn't have the necessary manpower. DV works harder and puts in more time than any two people on this planet. We reorganized 2.5 years ago and have made tremendous improvements. We are working on a few things that if they come to fruition will knock your socks off.
Like any new business the stakeholders must remain patient. We're not Silicon Valley back in the 90s. We have huge obstacles to overcome and it remains to be seen if we will be successful.
My advice to everyone is do as much as you can locally to promote the game and support the WPH's efforts by purchasing the webcasts and make people aware of what we are trying to accomplish. The more people that tune in the greater the potential to attract sponsors and advertisers. __________________ Fred Lewis
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scherz

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| | 01/26/12 at 08:55 AM | Reply with quote | #7 |
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Agreed Fred. And I know it's petty to sit over here and armchair quarterback. But it's frustrating to see you guys busting your @ss to get an audience, but there still isn't a "framework" to organize the handball community. I guarantee you it will mobilize tournament directors if they can see the result of their contribution. Right now, promotion and then results in the form of a message board post is the equivilent of shouting it to a street corner. it's forgotten as soon as Ben Thum posts his next monologue on what Slappy Daniels said about handball back in aught-6. If you can centralize every handball group's annual results, you will be the trusted source of handball. Unfortunately my career changed last year and I had to retire from promoting handball, so I've joined that group of complainers, but not doers. But it's painful to see such a motivated group not quite hitting the target. There are tools out there in the form of web software for free or next to free to help someone who wants to put it together. There is the perfect partner in R2Sports.com who would jump at the chance of a handball organization guaranteeing him business. And handball groups would love for someone to host their tournament entries, results, and history in a format that is accessible. __________________ WimbleDotte. The handball player factory. |
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hballfred
WPH President
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| | 01/26/12 at 09:01 AM | Reply with quote | #8 |
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I agree with everything you just said. We need one more person working in our office to make something like this happen. Stay tuned. __________________ Fred Lewis
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Syzlack
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| | 01/26/12 at 04:31 PM | Reply with quote | #9 |
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As usual, Scherz is on the money. DV is right though, too - you can't shoot the messenger.
Quote: The St. Louis Hinder club has done an incredible thing and built their own exclusive indoor handball facility, the best in the country. A remarkable achievement for our sport, and no one outside of KC and STL even knows about this.
Has the club told anyone outside of KC and STL? You don't need to be Hemingway to write a press release or website/facebook/twitter. You know the USHA is hopeless so do it yourself.
On the results thing, that's so important. It validates the tournament if someone can check up the winners etc. Imagine if nobody had a record of who won the US Nationals ten years ago, it'd make the next event meaningless two days after it's over.
It's a pity the USHA are so behind - there's such a huge gap for the WPH to fill.
On a separate note, when the history of handball is written, will the PHA go down as the most disatrous organisation ever to emerge? Was thinking the other day about a USHA pro qualifier in, I think, Boston about eight or nine years ago that was attended by about six or seven Irish players. A qualifier! That's how big a deal the pro tour was then.
The results were in the magazine, there were consistent rankings etc etc. When the PHA unfortunately folded, all of that was lost and the WPH has had to start from scratch.
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jsimon20
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| | 01/26/12 at 07:55 PM | Reply with quote | #10 |
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Where do I apply Fred?? I love what you(Fred Lewis), Dave Vincent and the rest of the WPH , are doing for the sport of handball!! Hopefully soon, we can get you guys to Chicago for a tourny |
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Viperman
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| | 01/26/12 at 11:04 PM | Reply with quote | #11 |
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| LFC coach Dau ran the IHA tournaments for many years and did a great job. Jamie Simon has stepped in and plans to keep it going strong. He's got great players and professionals behind him like Billy M and Jake K. Maybe next year, Chicago will be a pro stop! __________________ An official member of the viper
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hballfred
WPH President
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| | 01/27/12 at 09:31 AM | Reply with quote | #12 |
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Jamie Let's start a dialogue. hballfred@cox.net
Paul We want more Irish stars playing on the tour if they are willing and able. We are looking at changes and modifications to the current format for next year. __________________ Fred Lewis
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jsimon20
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| | 01/30/12 at 09:31 PM | Reply with quote | #13 |
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IHA STATE DOUBLES DEADLINE 1 WEEK AWAY... ANYBODY, FROM ANY STATE OR ANY COUNTRY ARE WELCOME TO ENTER |
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jsimon20
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| | 02/04/12 at 09:18 AM | Reply with quote | #14 |
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Divisions filling up, Monday Feb.6 is the last day to enter the IHA State Doubles OPEN: Mike/Dave Munson, Blaze/Anthony Selestow, Komstoeft/Connelly, Marco/Charlie Lemus, Hammond/Greco, I. Acosta/C.J. Laffey, Kloss/Matiasek and (if my sources are correct) B. Mehilos/N. Nahorniak.. Just to name a few..
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jsimon20
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chicago
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| | 02/09/12 at 10:27 PM | Reply with quote | #16 |
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Is the draw going to be posted?
Who are the favorites? |
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jsimon20
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| | 02/15/12 at 08:03 PM | Reply with quote | #17 |
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| Mike/Dave Munson Def. Dane/Adam Szatkowski 21-11, 21-16 in the Men's Open |
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